Is CKD or TKD better for cutting?

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  • Weird - Ive been debating all day on switching fromm CKD to TKD. IMO - and in in my experience so far with CKD - my workouts lack enough strength to progress with each workout. I think that TKD would be a bit more muscle sparing than CKD. My workouts are pretty intense , using only 1 - 2 sets of 4-5 reps with the heaviest weights I can handle - and those weights have dropped drastically on CKD - and I dont like that.

    I think if your workouts are intense enough , 25g high GI immediately before and 25g immediately after isnt going to knock you out of ketosis as the pre carbs are going to be burned for fuel to power your session and the post carbs are going to be used to shoot your PWO drink into your muscles , thus being used as well. So Friday Im gonna try that idea and see how it works - if for some reason it does knock me out of keto - i wouldnt imagine its nothing that 200mg of ALA or 40-50mg of VS couldnt solve.

    So , I personally dont think that theres much a diff inn CKD TKD really - besides the fact that TKD will allow you to continue your progress in the gym -- if you have a problem progressing that is. But I wouldnt imagine it would affect cutting at all.

    #1; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:39:00 GMT
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    === Original Words === Weird - Ive been debating all day on switching fromm CKD to TKD. IMO - and in in my experience so far with CKD - my workouts lack enough strength to progress with each workout. I think that TKD would be a bit more muscle sparing than CKD. My workouts are pretty intense , using only 1 - 2 sets of 4-5 reps with the heaviest weights I can handle - and those weights have dropped drastically on CKD - and I dont like that. I think if your workouts are intense enough , 25g high GI immediately before and 25g immediately after isnt going to knock you out of ketosis as the pre carbs are going to be burned for fuel to power your session and the post carbs are going to be used to shoot your PWO drink into your muscles , thus being used as well. So Friday Im gonna try that idea and see how it works - if for some reason it does knock me out of keto - i wouldnt imagine its nothing that 200mg of ALA or 40-50mg of VS couldnt solve. So , I personally dont think that theres much a diff inn CKD TKD really - besides the fact that TKD will allow you to continue your progress in the gym -- if you have a problem progressing that is. But I wouldnt imagine it would affect cutting at all.

    honestly I do both and I stay in ketosis. I do a modified version of both. Of course I am out of ketosis during the 24 hour carb up

    I eat about 25 grams carbs pre and post workout, monday, tuesday, thursday, friday. Zero carbs on wednesday as it is a cardio only day. Then on saturday I have no carbs pre workout (i workout at 1pm on sat.). Then I start my carb up post workout and continue it for 24 hours.

    This has been freaking great. I have lost 8 pounds in 3 weeks but best of all 3 and a half inches of my waist.

    #2; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:40:00 GMT
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  • ^What was your bodyfat % before those three weeks?

    I'm guessing that can't work under 12% bf or so, but I could be wrong I guess.

    #3; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:41:00 GMT
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    === Original Words === ^What was your bodyfat % before those three weeks? I'm guessing that can't work under 12% bf or so, but I could be wrong I guess.

    hehe well it was a very very bulked up offseason . Honestly it was high, 2 weeks before my diet I was fortunate enough to be able to get it tested by underwater weighing and it was 21%. I'll be getting it tested next week as I have lost about 22 pounds total, 8 since being on a ckd/tkd.

    You are correct though, I doubt it will work once I get closer to the show. As of next week I will be dropping the pre workout carbs down to about 15 or so so instead of 50 carbs a day (combined pre and post workout) It will be about 35. Then 2 weeks after that I will drop all preworkout carbs.

    I think I am gettting close to the 15% mark in bf and the lower it goes I will have to to more of a typical ckd or tkd.

    I will say though I will not be gettining so much heavier over comp. weight in the future. I am learning the hard way there is a BIG difference in being 30 pounds over a comp weight (what I usually am) and 50 pounds over (what I am this year).

    #4; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:42:00 GMT
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  • I find you lose more bodyfat in a shorter time on CKD. But, your training and performance increases more with TKD.

    So IMO, if your goal is fat loss or lean muscle gain, then i would suggest doing CKD. If your goal is to increase in athletic performance while seeing some fat loss or lean muscle gain, then i would suggest TKD.

    #5; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:00 GMT
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  • I'm thinking of competing at the end of May, but as of right now I'm about 13.5% BF and wondering if that's enough time to get to 7%; I've never been that low before.
    #6; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:44:00 GMT
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  • whats the difference between the 2? i'd like to know which one im doing lol.

    i just switched to keto from a timed carb diet but im not sure which type of keto im doing. i just consume carbs post workout

    #7; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:45:00 GMT
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    === Original Words === whats the difference between the 2? i'd like to know which one im doing lol. i just switched to keto from a timed carb diet but im not sure which type of keto im doing. i just consume carbs post workout

    anybody correct me if I am wrong but a ckd is when you pretty much have zero or as close to zero carbs as possible all week then have a big 24 to 48 hour carb up.

    tkd is when you have no carbs except pre and post workout but you don't get a big big nasty carb up each week.

    #8; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:46:00 GMT
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    === Original Words === I'm thinking of competing at the end of May, but as of right now I'm about 13.5% BF and wondering if that's enough time to get to 7%; I've never been that low before.

    it would be close but I bet you could pull that off
    #9; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:47:00 GMT
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    === Original Words === anybody correct me if I am wrong but a ckd is when you pretty much have zero or as close to zero carbs as possible all week then have a big 24 to 48 hour carb up. tkd is when you have no carbs except pre and post workout but you don't get a big big nasty carb up each week.

    The basic rule is 5 grams of carbs for every 2 work sets, 30 minutes prior to lifting. I beleive that complex carbs are preferred pre-wo and then Dex post workout. If you are cutting on TKD it'is also good to have an occasional refeed day. You stick to keto macro's [65,30,5] and eat at or just above maintenance.
    #10; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:48:00 GMT